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His men will follow him anywhere, but only out of curiosity.
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"The funny thing about the individual and religion is, God always seems to agree with your personal predjudges" - Can't remember who that Rich Dawkins possibly.
I think the theist could argue Jesus's forgiveness is irrelavant as to wether they goto hell or not. Ie "Jesus forgives..but he doesn't forget." meaning he's forgiving you, loves you an all that bullshit, but you still need to take a pineapple up the ass for that bit off tax evasion in the 80s...
The idea your being redeemed in hell with Big Jays seal of approval. Until THE GODDAM RAPTURE!!!!!!!! - Which isn't mentioned anywhere in the Bible...really look it up.
The fact is no one, that is 0 people on this planet have followed any religous text down to the letter. Its not possible too simply because of the constant contradictions. Thats why some can claim their violence is justified then someone else can use the same text to denouce the violence.
So the doorman at heaven HAS to let shit slide. He can hardly say "You didn't do this bit" and then have the gall to be surprised when they quote another page that says do the exact opposite. So then its fair to say once you realise that, If heavens there either its empty with Jebus and God playing a lonely eternal game of pingpong or theres a huge chart out side and your placed somewhere between "Took the odd Liberty" and "Royally took the piss" The implication being we're all sinners and unworthy its just a matter of how unworthy.
Maybe its like a points system like Minus 2 for Murder / Minus Over nine thousand for flipping of a nun whilst spit roasting her mother and praising a conservative.
An to be fair theres plenty people out their who already believe theres no consequences already. In the living world their called phycopaths.
If the fear off retribution in an afterlife is all that stops you raping and killing people then your not moral, Your just a murdering rapist too cowardly too take action. - Not my words, from a user on a different forum but I couldn't convey the sentiment any better than this.
Can you bump the old as hell god thread? I think it trailed off when the christian wouldn't aknowledge Jebus as 4.6 black man.
I think the theist could argue Jesus's forgiveness is irrelavant as to wether they goto hell or not. Ie "Jesus forgives..but he doesn't forget." meaning he's forgiving you, loves you an all that bullshit, but you still need to take a pineapple up the ass for that bit off tax evasion in the 80s...
The idea your being redeemed in hell with Big Jays seal of approval. Until THE GODDAM RAPTURE!!!!!!!! - Which isn't mentioned anywhere in the Bible...really look it up.
The fact is no one, that is 0 people on this planet have followed any religous text down to the letter. Its not possible too simply because of the constant contradictions. Thats why some can claim their violence is justified then someone else can use the same text to denouce the violence.
So the doorman at heaven HAS to let shit slide. He can hardly say "You didn't do this bit" and then have the gall to be surprised when they quote another page that says do the exact opposite. So then its fair to say once you realise that, If heavens there either its empty with Jebus and God playing a lonely eternal game of pingpong or theres a huge chart out side and your placed somewhere between "Took the odd Liberty" and "Royally took the piss" The implication being we're all sinners and unworthy its just a matter of how unworthy.
Maybe its like a points system like Minus 2 for Murder / Minus Over nine thousand for flipping of a nun whilst spit roasting her mother and praising a conservative.
An to be fair theres plenty people out their who already believe theres no consequences already. In the living world their called phycopaths.
If the fear off retribution in an afterlife is all that stops you raping and killing people then your not moral, Your just a murdering rapist too cowardly too take action. - Not my words, from a user on a different forum but I couldn't convey the sentiment any better than this.
Can you bump the old as hell god thread? I think it trailed off when the christian wouldn't aknowledge Jebus as 4.6 black man.
Fuck your Honda Civic I've a horse outside...
Well, the point of Christianity is not "I'm going to get out of hell for free."
The point of Christianity is "I'm going to be reconciled to the perfect God who made all things, whose law I've broken." It naturally follows in Christianity that when one is converted his being conformed to the image of Christ to God's law, so that he will walk in the ways that God has commanded in his moral law (which is summarized in the ten commands).
If you're going to make an argument against a religion it might help if you knew a little bit about it.
The point of Christianity is "I'm going to be reconciled to the perfect God who made all things, whose law I've broken." It naturally follows in Christianity that when one is converted his being conformed to the image of Christ to God's law, so that he will walk in the ways that God has commanded in his moral law (which is summarized in the ten commands).
If you're going to make an argument against a religion it might help if you knew a little bit about it.
His men will follow him anywhere, but only out of curiosity.
Joined: 24th October 2010
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Once again your jumping too the presumption we're arguing "against" something here. If all you have is "The man in the sky says make it so." (Don't come back with "Thats a strawman argument" bullshit.) Obviosly the path of logic is going to heavily conflict with your own biases. Do a bit more research into your commandments your'll see they were around in many forms long before your particular choice of imaginary friend came into being.
We dont know "A little" about a religion we know a damsight more than you, as at least a couple of us have read and studied more than one religous text, and can see contradictions which your own bias upbringing has prevented you from even aknowleging. Out of fear of a retribution that will never occur. Its a genuinly restrictiive and pitiful mindset to have to live with.
I hope one day you can overcome your handicap.....But wouldn't bet on it.
We dont know "A little" about a religion we know a damsight more than you, as at least a couple of us have read and studied more than one religous text, and can see contradictions which your own bias upbringing has prevented you from even aknowleging. Out of fear of a retribution that will never occur. Its a genuinly restrictiive and pitiful mindset to have to live with.
I hope one day you can overcome your handicap.....But wouldn't bet on it.
Fuck your Honda Civic I've a horse outside...
1. I didn't grow up Christian.
2. It is a strawman argument and proves even further that you've no idea what you're talking about.
3. I've been studying religion on a scholarly level for a couple of years.
4. Sure, I'm biased toward what I believe is true, but so is everyone else.
I think the main things to take away from your post is that you've not actually interacted with anything I've said, I'd appreciate it if you would.
Obviously, since Christianity teaches that the moral law was creational it is going to be around in many different religions, since it has been around since the world began and all mankind has been influenced by it in some way, how does this an argument against me
2. It is a strawman argument and proves even further that you've no idea what you're talking about.
3. I've been studying religion on a scholarly level for a couple of years.
4. Sure, I'm biased toward what I believe is true, but so is everyone else.
I think the main things to take away from your post is that you've not actually interacted with anything I've said, I'd appreciate it if you would.
Obviously, since Christianity teaches that the moral law was creational it is going to be around in many different religions, since it has been around since the world began and all mankind has been influenced by it in some way, how does this an argument against me
His men will follow him anywhere, but only out of curiosity.
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We are interacting...You just seem to think not agreeing with you makes anything anyone has to say null and void. I can show you videos of an ape protecting a human child thats fell into its enclosure from the other monkeys. Or a dog risking its life to drag another canine out of a busy motorway after it had been struck unconscouse. I myself have been protected by a dog I'd never met or seen before when lyched by thugs. What you term Morality is in no way exclusive to the human species. Its called altruistium and is a key component to most evolutionary processes.
If fear of retribution in an afterlife is all that stops you from raping and killing people, then your neither just nor moral, your just a murdering rapist to cowardly to take action.
A stawman is when somebody argues against a point nobodys made, you assert theres a definitly a God, I say there probably isn't. Granted the sky wizard statement is a tad juvinile, but hell, You won't discuss the invisable leprechaun on my shoulder but least I'm willing to break several of my logical reality hammers on this pointless exercise.
You can stop the whole turn to audience caper as well. Telling people what they can take away from my points is unbelievably condescending and patronizing to any reader, you can safely assume the people on the forum can read and so can take away what ever they want without your direction.
But of course the inability to create any kind of coherent argument yourself only leaves you with such feeble debating tactics as the ones you brazenly display here.
For what I think is the forth time unanswered I will put it to you again, Tell me why you don't believe in all the other Gods and I'll be able to tell you why I don't believe in yours.
If fear of retribution in an afterlife is all that stops you from raping and killing people, then your neither just nor moral, your just a murdering rapist to cowardly to take action.
A stawman is when somebody argues against a point nobodys made, you assert theres a definitly a God, I say there probably isn't. Granted the sky wizard statement is a tad juvinile, but hell, You won't discuss the invisable leprechaun on my shoulder but least I'm willing to break several of my logical reality hammers on this pointless exercise.
You can stop the whole turn to audience caper as well. Telling people what they can take away from my points is unbelievably condescending and patronizing to any reader, you can safely assume the people on the forum can read and so can take away what ever they want without your direction.
But of course the inability to create any kind of coherent argument yourself only leaves you with such feeble debating tactics as the ones you brazenly display here.
For what I think is the forth time unanswered I will put it to you again, Tell me why you don't believe in all the other Gods and I'll be able to tell you why I don't believe in yours.
Fuck your Honda Civic I've a horse outside...
His men will follow him anywhere, but only out of curiosity.
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Like it.
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I'm spending a year dead for tax reasons.
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If belief is all you need, and Jesus can forgive anything, are we in danger of ending up people who live their life expecting no consequences for their actions? If they truly believe that they're forgiven, will they not care that they have severely injured someone else? Can they burn down someone's house and regret it the next day, then be forgiven and not think they need to turn themselves in? Or maybe something slightly less severe, like tax fraud, or stealing valuables. Or a politician lying to the nation. I suppose people can find ways to justify such actions without turning to Jesus. But is Jesus a easy get out?
When you hear someone say "Jesus has forgiven me", what does that make you think? Does it carry any value? Does it mean anything beyond that they have justified their actions to themselves, or that they have forgiven themselves? Is it sometimes just sickening? Do some believers consider such statements blasphemy, claiming God is on their side when they clearly have done wrong? Or do you truly believe Jesus played a part?